tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11390444.post113695713150258473..comments2023-10-23T09:26:24.969-10:00Comments on The Questionable Authority®: Spinning creationism back into the classroomTQAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01510784510555073197noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11390444.post-1137086002840428412006-01-12T07:13:00.000-10:002006-01-12T07:13:00.000-10:00Clearly, the material content for a genuine philos...Clearly, the material content for a genuine philosophy class on these issues is rich. ID'iots would make terrible criminals. They continue to leave fingerprints, DNA samples, and the weapon behind. They don't know how to leave the scene clean.Kinder Gentler Little Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10789725597285633409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11390444.post-1137077219311971632006-01-12T04:46:00.000-10:002006-01-12T04:46:00.000-10:00I'm a different anonymous. I woujld like to pick ...I'm a different anonymous. I woujld like to pick up where Dr. Zen left off. In my teaching of AP history I end up spending a lot of time explaining and distinguishing classical economics, Marxism, Leninism, and various other schools of thought right up to the present. I show their ideas and evidence, explain how they presuade some people, and look at their effects on society. That's teaching Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11390444.post-1137027842278668492006-01-11T15:04:00.000-10:002006-01-11T15:04:00.000-10:00Anonymous said: "ID belongs nowhere near a science...Anonymous said: "ID belongs nowhere near a science class or being taught as science, but if students want to take an ELECTIVE course where ID is discussed, the what the hell is the problem?"<BR/><BR/>"Discussed" is different from "advocated". Intelligent design is of very minor importance in philosophy: just an offshoot of creationism, which is philosophically rather uninteresting. Why? Because Dr Zenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09778131002672435917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11390444.post-1137010239641905912006-01-11T10:10:00.000-10:002006-01-11T10:10:00.000-10:00A#2: I think your concerns are well founded, but I...A#2: <BR/><BR/>I think your concerns are well founded, but I think the same things apply to Poly Sci classes too. Rarely do you find a teacher who is competent to actually teach the subject without bias rather than being a campaigner for whatever political party s/he represents. Subjects that are controversial always have this problem, but I don't think that disqualifies them from being barred Adam Omelianchukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02962074536479488859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11390444.post-1137009037752158082006-01-11T09:50:00.000-10:002006-01-11T09:50:00.000-10:00I'm afraid I have to agree with the ID people here...I'm afraid I have to agree with the ID people here, as much as I hate to do it. <BR/><BR/>I took an ELECTIVE philosohpy course in 12th grade. We discussed all kinds of religions and philosophies, metaphysical and ethical.<BR/><BR/>The ID philosophy would have fit right in there. <BR/><BR/>It wouldn't take long to discuss because there's really not much to ID, but it could be put in there with Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11390444.post-1137004548262301732006-01-11T08:35:00.000-10:002006-01-11T08:35:00.000-10:00Adam(I'm Anonymous #2)I think your idea of a cours...Adam<BR/>(I'm Anonymous #2)<BR/>I think your idea of a course on philosophy of origins is an interesting one, but I have two concerns. First, I think it would be a mistake to restrict "origins" just to evolution of life (which is the disingenuous position of the DI folks). Rather it should as well include the origin of the whole enchilada: the physical universe, discussion of which would have toAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11390444.post-1137003421232217582006-01-11T08:17:00.000-10:002006-01-11T08:17:00.000-10:00Yoga courses in schools are restricted to the phys...Yoga courses in schools are restricted to the physical exercise aspects. Breathing exercises and stretching exercises are not religion.<BR/><BR/>This is a key difference. There is much research to back the health claims of these yoga practices. They improve cardiac health, they improve vascular health. These are good, secular purposes that require zero entanglement with religion.<BR/><BR/>Ed Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056539160596825210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11390444.post-1137003126432806482006-01-11T08:12:00.000-10:002006-01-11T08:12:00.000-10:00The problem with the course in California is that ...The problem with the course in California is that it's pure, unadulterated creationism, taught with a view to converting people to creationism. <BR/><BR/>As a Christian I have problems with such a course. My Christian kids shouldn't be assaulted in their views by creationism offered as fact, even and especially in a philosophy course. <BR/><BR/>As a lawyer, I observe that such a course is a Ed Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056539160596825210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11390444.post-1136996911715668252006-01-11T06:28:00.000-10:002006-01-11T06:28:00.000-10:00"Proving" that this venture is pushing religion wi..."Proving" that this venture is pushing religion will be easier than it looks. The two versions of the syllabus make it plain that the course is all about advocacy. There is nothing comparative about it. Look at the guest speakers (those who agreed to appear), the videos chosen, and the syllabus itself. It reads like a summer tent revival run by Elmer Gantry. The idiots cannot help themselves. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11390444.post-1136996180561134832006-01-11T06:16:00.000-10:002006-01-11T06:16:00.000-10:00Unfortunately, I think it's going to be quite hard...Unfortunately, I think it's going to be quite hard to legally distinguish teaching a religious doctrine, and teaching (very poorly) *about* a religious doctrine.<BR/><BR/>This is clearly just an excuse to preach a particularly delusional form of evangelical Christianity, but proving that is going to be difficult. I don't think there are many laws against doing a bad job of teaching, and the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11390444.post-1136992615965936252006-01-11T05:16:00.000-10:002006-01-11T05:16:00.000-10:00Lifewish:I think you are right for the most part, ...Lifewish:<BR/><BR/>I think you are right for the most part, but good philosophy classes don't "advocate" anything. If one is going to learn about Aristotle one is going to learn about ID in at least an indirect way. If one takes a Humanities class one will learn about Moses and other religious figures and what they taught. Learning about religion isn't illegal. <BR/><BR/>I think a "philosophy of Adam Omelianchukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02962074536479488859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11390444.post-1136989355187321682006-01-11T04:22:00.000-10:002006-01-11T04:22:00.000-10:00Would I be right in summarising the general positi...Would I be right in summarising the general position as:<BR/><BR/>1) If you do it with your own time, money and authority, we've got no problem<BR/>2) If you try to teach unscientific concepts in a government-bankrolled/supported science class, we've got a problem<BR/>3) If you try to advocate given religious positions in a government-bankrolled/supported class, we've got a problem<BR/><BR/>I'm Lifewishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07133804300464048756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11390444.post-1136988465607599522006-01-11T04:07:00.000-10:002006-01-11T04:07:00.000-10:00As a subject of philosophy, banning ID, and YEC, f...As a subject of philosophy, banning ID, and YEC, for that matter is viewpoint discrimination. The idea of abstinence is viewpoint mostly held by religious people on the subject of sexuality. Should that be banned from health classrooms altogether too? Moreover, some schools around the country have courses including yoga--something that has ties to Eastern Spirituality. At what point does the 1st Adam Omelianchukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02962074536479488859noreply@blogger.com